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kschmit2
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 Posted: Thu Jun 21, 2007 8:29 am Post subject: |
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the Dell monitor is 1920x1200 pixels (16x10 aspect ratio).
This is definitely not an ideal match for a 16x9 (720p or 1920x1080) image.
IIRC one of the early Dell 24" screens had a major flaw in that it wasn't able to display a 16x9 image with black bars at the top and bottom. It either distorted the image or zoomed in to fill the full height of the screen (losing some of the picture at the left and right edge).
I seem to remember that the 2407 was not affected by that problem, but I don't remember if the 2405 was. |
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Psykick
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| Posted: Thu Jun 21, 2007 10:51 am Post subject: |
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Well mine definitely suffers from this exact thing you are mentioning, but only with the PS3 hooked through HD Fury. I don't have any problems with any of the resolutions of the 360 via direct VGA. Even 1920x1080 is perfect. It automatically auto adjusts and fits perfect no matter if I choose Fill or aspect. The problem is or the PS3 sending an odd signal or the HD Fury that is sending a incorrect analog signal to my monitor. Can they even be faulty in this way, or is it that if it works it works and when faulty it just doesn't do anything?
Thanx again! |
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kschmit2
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| Posted: Thu Jun 21, 2007 11:46 am Post subject: |
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VGA uses a different processing path in the Dell monitor.
There would be nothing wrong with the HDFury. It acts like any other device that does simple format conversion without adjustments to the input signal (what goes in goes out).
Only the Dell monitor is to blame for the omission of proper aspect ratio control. |
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Psykick
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| Posted: Thu Jun 21, 2007 12:46 pm Post subject: |
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| Well is there a way then to connect the PS3 via digital signal, can I put an adapter from VGA to DVI and plug it in my DVI port of the Dell? Would that give a picture at all? Or should I get a HDCP stripper? |
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HKmod
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| Posted: Thu Jun 21, 2007 7:45 pm Post subject: GREEN SCREEN ISSUE SOLVED |
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| sim.m wrote: |
Well, the combination Panasonic Plasma/Panasonic DVD player works, my problem is that after my tryal with the Pioneer player and the Dell/HDfury, the Pioneer is stuck with a green screen. .[/img] |
Dear sim,
With an amazing chance i managed to solve your GREEN screen issue 
I had meeting this afternoon with asian/korean friends and they bring us some HDMI > DVI-D cable sample.
I hooked one of those to PS3 and SDM P234B (the both same SOURCE/DISPLAY you can see on that video here: http://www.hkmod.com/HDfury.wmv)
And guess what ?
I HAD THE EXACT SAME GREEN SCREEN AS YOU HAVE ON YOUR PICTURE
the exact same ! lol
I was astonished 
Finally, i was able to make it APPEAR/ DISAPPEAR at will just by touching the HDMI cable (caused by poor connection !)
After googling for "HDMI green screen" i find out that this is a very common error, nothing to do with HDfury, and mostly nothing to worry about.
It can comes from the CABLE (it was my case this afternoon)
or from what i read on the forums, it can comes from the HDMI output of the source and you have special reset code to do.
Please have a read: http://forum.ecoustics.com/bbs/messages/2/172208.html |
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Person99
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| Posted: Fri Jun 22, 2007 2:17 pm Post subject: |
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| Darcy Hunter wrote: | | Quote: | | I'm just trying to help, but if you don't want it, just let me know. |
Sorry, I didn't mean to sound ungrateful, I just didn't want to waste your time.
I'm not at home right now, but the part in Matrix: Revolutions where I started to really notice it is in the scene near the beginning of the film where Morpheus, Trinity and Seraph are chasing the Train-man through the subway station. There is a shot where the camera is in front of the Train-man as he is running, and as he bobs up and down, the black levels seem to be trying to compensate for the movement.
I tried outputting at 480P and the "flickering" effect went away, so it seems to only show up when my HD A1 is set to 1080i.
I also tried the HD Fury with my Samsung up-converting DVD player and had the same results with SW: Ep. III. Flickering at 1080i but not at 480p.
I did not watch all of SW: Ep III, but the flickering was most prominent in the scene where General Grievous is introduced. He is shown walking through a door, and the flickering effect is very prominent.
The fact that the HD Fury seems to work at 480P makes me think it's not the cable, but I have not seen any similar comments about this flickering effect on any other forums. I don't know if it's my TV or the Fury that's the culprit. |
I checked and my HD A1 set to 1080i does not produce this flickering. So, it may be your display. |
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Darcy Hunter
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| Posted: Sat Jun 23, 2007 4:08 am Post subject: |
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| I tested this today on an older Sony plasma (model PFM-42B2), and it exhibited the same effect. Is this a cable problem, or are these sets just not compatible with the Hd Fury? |
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zx168
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| Posted: Sat Jun 23, 2007 4:17 am Post subject: blank black screen |
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source ps3
hdmi-dvi cable 6 ft
output to realtek based board with chip rtd2553v for the diy projector.
all i can get from it only 720p, when i setup the ps3 to 1080p, all i get just a blank black screen.
but hdfury work fine on a sun 24" crt, i can get 1080p working.
anyone have an answer to this???? |
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HKmod
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| Posted: Sat Jun 23, 2007 9:58 am Post subject: |
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| Darcy Hunter wrote: | | I tested this today on an older Sony plasma (model PFM-42B2), and it exhibited the same effect. Is this a cable problem, or are these sets just not compatible with the Hd Fury? |
Dear sir,
Can you elaborate which "Effect" you are refering to ?
It's not clear from your message.. |
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HKmod
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| Posted: Sat Jun 23, 2007 10:04 am Post subject: Re: blank black screen |
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| zx168 wrote: | source ps3
hdmi-dvi cable 6 ft
output to realtek based board with chip rtd2553v for the diy projector.
all i can get from it only 720p, when i setup the ps3 to 1080p, all i get just a blank black screen.
but hdfury work fine on a sun 24" crt, i can get 1080p working.
anyone have an answer to this???? |
HDfury works fine on a sun24'' crt at 1080p is just normal
My question here is what exactly is a "realtek based board with chip rtd2553v for the diy projector" ...
DIY means Do It Yourself right ?
You have build the projector yourself ?
any link to the design board ? |
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zx168
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Darcy Hunter
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| Posted: Sat Jun 23, 2007 6:37 pm Post subject: |
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| Quote: | | Can you elaborate which "Effect" you are refering to ? |
Sorry, I was referring to my previous post. My Pioneer 532-HD5 has this "flickering" effect with the blacks when running something through the Fury at 1080i. It looks like the black levels are going up and down depending on the action on screen. It did this using my Toshiba HD A1 and my Samsung up-converting DVD player set at 1080i. I also tried the HD Fury on an older Sony plasma monitor (model PFM-42B2) using a different Sony up-converting DVD player. Same problem.
I was trying to figure out if it's my monitor, the Fury, or just a bad cable. The cable I bough was a cheap no-name cable, but since it digital, and a short 4' length, I thought it would serve my purpose for now. |
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sim.m
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| Posted: Sun Jun 24, 2007 3:59 pm Post subject: Green screen/Hdmi output |
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Dear sim,
With an amazing chance i managed to solve your GREEN screen issue Wink
I had meeting this afternoon with asian/korean friends and they bring us some HDMI > DVI-D cable sample.
I hooked one of those to PS3 and SDM P234B (the both same SOURCE/DISPLAY you can see on that video here: http://www.hkmod.com/HDfury.wmv)
And guess what ?
I HAD THE EXACT SAME GREEN SCREEN AS YOU HAVE ON YOUR PICTURE
the exact same ! lol
I was astonished Mr. Green
Finally, i was able to make it APPEAR/ DISAPPEAR at will just by touching the HDMI cable (caused by poor connection !)
After googling for "HDMI green screen" i find out that this is a very common error, nothing to do with HDfury, and mostly nothing to worry about.
It can comes from the CABLE (it was my case this afternoon)
or from what i read on the forums, it can comes from the HDMI output of the source and you have special reset code to do.
Please have a read: http://forum.ecoustics.com/bbs/messages/2/172208.html
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Dear HKmod,
very interesting, it looks like it! A least a little hope…
In my case, it's not the cable, I tried different ones and they all work with my other DVD player.
I went to the Pioneer maintenance center (Lab7) you told me about, and did the firmware update for my Pioneer DV868/59 avi : I have the most recent one now [1.536 (16) AV1 (2.0/2.8]… But that didn't solve the problem.
The Tech at Lab7, who had never seen such thing, (and as in the ecoustic.com post you're refering to) he told me I had to replace the HDMI board, and ask only 750$ for that…
After I read your post I found another person who had a problem with this "green screen of death" et resetted successfully his hdmi device. Have a look at : http://dougtoombs.com/2007/03/25/apple-tv-and-toshiba-hdmi-green-screen-of-death/
I wrote to Pioneer Europe, a week ago but they didn't answer.
Can you help me find the special code to reset my hdmi input?
I will ask the tech at Lab7, but as they didn't mention this procedure, I have very little hope that they would tell me.
thanks a lot.
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sim.m
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| Posted: Mon Jun 25, 2007 10:29 am Post subject: Green screen/Hdmi output |
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(forum.ecoustics.com)
… a "Special Service Remote is used to enter a special CODE to reset the HDMI port, otherwise it shows GREEN.
BTW: I can BET you allot of people are going to get ripped off... Yes mam', your HDMI board is dead, $350+ to fix, when if fact the board just needed a "reset"... (All this HDMI stuff is pretty "new" so don't expect it to be rock solid people, there ARE going to be cases in which the board got "confused" and just needed a simple reset.)
Kano said to mention this HDMI reset to the tech...
Well there should be a TSB out on this (Technical Service Bulletin) and the "tech" should ALREADY know about this "fix"... but probably will not…
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As expected, unfortunaltely, I called Lab7, the Pioneer maintenance center, and in spite of my insistence, they maintain that such procedure doesn't exist with the DV868/DV59avi…
Quite depressing, if someone could help, that would be welcome. |
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HofstraJet
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| Posted: Mon Jun 25, 2007 11:46 am Post subject: |
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| Darcy Hunter wrote: | I ordered the HD Fury and was amazed at the speedy delivery (3 days). I hooked it up to my Pioneer SD 532HD5, and it synced up right away. The picture was razor sharp, with beautiful colours. It did exactly what it was advertised to do, however, I've encountered a slight problem. While the picture is incredibly sharp, it suffers from a flickering effect when dark or light coloured objects enter or leave the frame. It's like my set is trying to compensate for black levels. I have no picture enhancing options turned on, and my contrast is set bellow 50%. Is it the cable I'm using, or a problem with the HD Fury, or my set?
I don't get this "flickering" effect through my component (RGB) inputs.
Output source: Toshiba HD A1 set at 1080i (FW 2.0)
Input monitor: Pioneer SD 532HD5
Cable: 4' HDMI-DVI cable - HD Fury - monitor |
As noted in a different thread, I have the same problem (flickering - varying black levels) with my HDFury. 10 foot HDMI-DVI Blue Jeans Cable from my Toshiba HD-D2 to the HDFury and then a custom cable from Cable Solutions which is 1 meter VGAF to 5 RCA male made with Canare cable and connectors. I have this hooked up to the RGB input of my Mitsu WS-73411 CRT RPTV. I will try hooking it up to my Dell computer monitor this week to see if it exhibits the same behavior (20" 4:3 LCD - don't have the model number at the moment). |
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Darcy Hunter
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| Posted: Tue Jun 26, 2007 2:46 am Post subject: |
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| Quote: | | As noted in a different thread, I have the same problem (flickering - varying black levels) with my HDFury |
Nice to know I'm not the only one. I am currently corresponding with a couple of guys from HK Mod to try and find out the problem. I will say this; despite the problems I'm having with this device, HK Mods service has been nothing short of outstanding. They are going above and beyond to try to help me, even going so far as to locate a similar display as mine to test it out on.
Poking around the HD Fury FAQ here:http://www.sitename.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=5282
I found this:
| Quote: | The black level (brightness) on my display device is constantly changing causing dark and light scenes to change in black level. How do I fix it?
Your display device may have poor black level clamping. If you have a way of adjusting it, try to adjust the 'Clamp' setting of your display to 'H/C' (horizontal/composite sync) mode rather than 'Auto'. Not all displays will have this setting. Many consumer displays will have this hidden in a service menu. |
This sounds like the problem we're having, but I don't know if there is such a setting on my set. In the user menu, the only "black level" related setting I have is called "DPO" which I think stands for Dynamic Picture Output or something. I always have this OFF, however the problem with floating black levels occurs weather it is ON or OFF.
I have sinking feeling it might be my set. I asked the question about a "Clamp" setting in my set on the Home Theater Spot Pioneer forum. If such a setting exists, it will surely be in the service menu, and that's something that I wouldn't poke around in without detailed instructions. Still waiting for a response. |
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HofstraJet
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| Posted: Tue Jun 26, 2007 4:40 am Post subject: |
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| Darcy Hunter wrote: |
This sounds like the problem we're having, but I don't know if there is such a setting on my set. In the user menu, the only "black level" related setting I have is called "DPO" which I think stands for Dynamic Picture Output or something. I always have this OFF, however the problem with floating black levels occurs weather it is ON or OFF. |
There is no way to do this through the user menus. However, in the service menus, you can lock the DTV port at 1080i. I did that and the flickering problem persists.
No dice there.
I still have to plug the HDMI cable into my DirecTV TiVo and DirecTV HDDVR to see if the problems exist there as well (at least that will isolate the HDDVD player from the equation). I also want to try to plug into my LCD computer monitor both directly into the DVI port of the monitor with the HDMI-DVI cable and then into the VGA port with the HDFury. That will eliminate the breahout cable and the HDMI-DVI cable from the equation as well. Just got home from work, so that will have to wait until later in the week.  |
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Darcy Hunter
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| Posted: Tue Jun 26, 2007 5:36 am Post subject: |
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| Quote: | | I did that and the flickering problem persists. |
Well that's no good. I did plug the Fury straight into my set without the breakout cable, and no luck. Same problem. |
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tobeng
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| Posted: Tue Jun 26, 2007 12:46 pm Post subject: |
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Hi!
I received my HDFURY today and was very happy due to the one day shipping from psxcare.com!
The reason i got this fine product was to use my PS3 with my Dell 2005fpw monitor which has a resolution of 1680x1050, no HDCP support, dvi, d-sub, s-video, composite.
I connected the PS3 to my monitor. HDMI to DVI cable to HDFURY and then to the d-sub connector on the monitor. Booted up the PS3 and... nothing.
HDCP handshake OK (blue led is on). Connected composite to discover that the PS3 had discovered a HDMI connection and was asking if i wanted to use it, selected yes but still no picture.
The feed back i get from the monitor is "1: D-SUB Cannot Display this Mode"
I really thougt i would be able to enjoy 720p on my monitor... am i doing something wrong here? |
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HKmod
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| Posted: Tue Jun 26, 2007 1:00 pm Post subject: |
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| tobeng wrote: | Hi!
I received my HDFURY today and was very happy due to the one day shipping from psxcare.com!
The reason i got this fine product was to use my PS3 with my Dell 2005fpw monitor which has a resolution of 1680x1050, no HDCP support, dvi, d-sub, s-video, composite.
I connected the PS3 to my monitor. HDMI to DVI cable to HDFURY and then to the d-sub connector on the monitor. Booted up the PS3 and... nothing.
HDCP handshake OK (blue led is on). Connected composite to discover that the PS3 had discovered a HDMI connection and was asking if i wanted to use it, selected yes but still no picture.
The feed back i get from the monitor is "1: D-SUB Cannot Display this Mode"
I really thougt i would be able to enjoy 720p on my monitor... am i doing something wrong here? |
What is your PS3 firmware version please ?
Please note that at any time you can get low quality resolution on any PS3 outputs so you don't need to switch cable to see something.
You just turn the system ON and keep your finger on the ON button till your heard a beep sound.
PS3 will then restart with low resolution on every outputs so you can set it up !
Once PS3 detects HDfury it will allow you to select any resolution as HDfury EDID have any resolution listed.
Just make sure you are selecting a resolution that is supported by your display (720p and click TEST)
Hope it helps, let us know !
PS: Did you try a Computer Graphic Card on it at 1280x720 ? |
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