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HKmod

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Posted: Thu Jun 14, 2007 9:59 pm Post subject: HDfury : Help and Troubleshooting |
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UPDATE: 99% of questions are answered in the HDfury FAQ so to save yourself some time, please check there first!
Hello members and visitors,
I'm setting up this thread so you can report any trouble there.
Feel free to ask for help here.
Make sure to supply enough informations on your first post such as:
- HDMI source in use (Firmware version if any available)
- HDMI source exact model and link to specs/PDF if available
- HDMI source resolution that you set up
- HDMI > DVI-D cable length
- HDfury Blue LED status (on or off)
- VGA to VGA/BNC/DB9 cable length (if you did not use the one supplied)
- Display model and specs (link to specs/PDF if available)
- Accurate description of the problem.
We will do our best to help you out, and may be the amazing technical guys out there also !
All the best,
Franck.
PS: To adriankelly , i deleted your post in the review thread, feel free to report it here ! |
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username
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Posted: Fri Jun 15, 2007 12:25 am Post subject: |
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I'll be doing my best to help Franck out, especially with any problems in Home Theater/CRT Projector setups!
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ADRIANKELLY
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Posted: Fri Jun 15, 2007 6:39 am Post subject: |
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| Sorry about the lack of info on my post I was in a rush to make it to work on time The problem I am having is most likely user error on my part and lack of information . So I am using the PS3 , HD DVD toshiba HDA1 , 360 elite , HD Cable box , Denon 1920 , all run through monoprice 5x1 switcher . I use 25 ft of (The toughest in-use test an HDMI cable can pass is to deliver signals reliably over distance; our Blue Jeans Cable Series-2 HDMI cables have proven reliable out to at least 50 feet, while many others fail at shorter distances. In our own in-use testing, we have found that the 50-foot cable operates flawlessly at 1080p.) along with a bluejean HDMI to DVI adaptor directly in to the fury then (double sided female gender changer ) then a 2 foot hd15 to bnc breakout cable ( unknown brand --but thick ) directly to the Marquee 8500 input . Now I have tried both direct connections from the devices and the switcher . Here is what happens with the HDA! I get a no HDMI link on the display on the player and nothing on the 8500 . the PS3 I get a good pic but need to converge the lines a bit ( no problem there) . The cable box gets a picture for about 3 seconds then goes away no error message from the 8500 . The denon just has a no link message . I have noticed that the blue light will be on sometimes and with the same connection it wont come on at all . I also have tried turning the devices on first then the projector . and then the projector on then the devices . On some occasions I will get the no Vsynch message (I think this means the projector isnt reading any input at all ) Then occasionally I will get some message that comes and goes quickly it says something about (out of frequency range ? ) Now since I have had my 8500 I really havn't messed with the menu about changing different channels to synch to my devices . The settings it came with seemed to do just fine . And I really messed things up one time and it took me 4 days of research and 20 questions to get it right so I am a bit timid . I usually say if it aint broke dont fix it . So with all that being as it is Where shall I start ?? Thanks in advance Scott ( I am taking a quick trip to Denali for a couple of days so I might not be back untill Sunday ) |
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Person99
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Posted: Fri Jun 15, 2007 1:28 pm Post subject: |
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| ADRIANKELLY wrote: | | along with a bluejean HDMI to DVI adaptor directly in to the fury then (double sided female gender changer ) then a 2 foot hd15 to bnc breakout cable ( unknown brand --but thick ) directly to the Marquee 8500 input . |
That not good. You should never use DVI/HDMI adapters. Always use an HDMI to DVI cable. The HD DVD players (and other equipment) have known issues with adapters. If you call Toshiba support, the first thing they will tell you is to get the adapter out of the mix then call them if it still doesn't work.
Secondly, the HDFury is not designed to drive cables, the 2 foot breakout cable will introduce softness. If this is your preferred set up, get the breakout cable that will come with the green addition. However, if I were you, I would get one of the Altinex interfaces with a VGA compatible input and 5 BNC output. Run a 3-6' HDMI/DVI cable to the Fury plugged into the Altinex, then a 25' 5 BNC run to the PJ. If you can pop for a bit more money, skip the Altinex and get Kim's tcoder with gamma and free your Quee from its black crush! |
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Brian Hampton
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Posted: Fri Jun 15, 2007 1:51 pm Post subject: |
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Sounds like great suggestions. HDMI to DVI cable would eliminate an adapter and a short (inches) VGA-Female to BNC cable would eliminte another adapter. Both will cost ya but cleaner signal path is a worthy investment. Keeping the adapters out may be all you need to solve this issue.
=Brian |
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Darcy Hunter
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Posted: Mon Jun 18, 2007 10:10 pm Post subject: |
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I ordered the HD Fury and was amazed at the speedy delivery (3 days). I hooked it up to my Pioneer SD 532HD5, and it synced up right away. The picture was razor sharp, with beautiful colours. It did exactly what it was advertised to do, however, I've encountered a slight problem. While the picture is incredibly sharp, it suffers from a flickering effect when dark or light coloured objects enter or leave the frame. It's like my set is trying to compensate for black levels. I have no picture enhancing options turned on, and my contrast is set bellow 50%. Is it the cable I'm using, or a problem with the HD Fury, or my set?
I don't get this "flickering" effect through my component (RGB) inputs.
Output source: Toshiba HD A1 set at 1080i (FW 2.0)
Input monitor: Pioneer SD 532HD5
Cable: 4' HDMI-DVI cable - HD Fury - monitor |
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Person99
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Posted: Mon Jun 18, 2007 10:17 pm Post subject: |
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| Darcy Hunter wrote: | | While the picture is incredibly sharp, it suffers from a flickering effect when dark or light coloured objects enter or leave the frame. |
Can you give some reference HD DVDs or DVDs so that some of the others of us can try and see if we see the same issue? (Title, chapter, time index) |
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Darcy Hunter
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Posted: Mon Jun 18, 2007 10:42 pm Post subject: |
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| I was watching Matrix: Revolutions HD DVD, and sampled a few of my DVDs upscaled to 1080i (such as Star Wars Ep. III and Charlie and the Chocolate Factory). The flickering is pretty noticeable right away. If your experiencing it, you'll know it. I just don't know where the problem lies. |
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Person99
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Posted: Tue Jun 19, 2007 12:19 am Post subject: |
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| Darcy Hunter wrote: | | I was watching Matrix: Revolutions HD DVD, and sampled a few of my DVDs upscaled to 1080i (such as Star Wars Ep. III and Charlie and the Chocolate Factory). The flickering is pretty noticeable right away. If your experiencing it, you'll know it. I just don't know where the problem lies. |
I have these discs. Tell me the chapter and time index in a couple of those, say ep III and Charlie and I'll check. I'm just trying to help, but if you don't want it, just let me know. |
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Darcy Hunter
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Posted: Tue Jun 19, 2007 1:35 am Post subject: |
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| Quote: | | I'm just trying to help, but if you don't want it, just let me know. |
Sorry, I didn't mean to sound ungrateful, I just didn't want to waste your time.
I'm not at home right now, but the part in Matrix: Revolutions where I started to really notice it is in the scene near the beginning of the film where Morpheus, Trinity and Seraph are chasing the Train-man through the subway station. There is a shot where the camera is in front of the Train-man as he is running, and as he bobs up and down, the black levels seem to be trying to compensate for the movement.
I tried outputting at 480P and the "flickering" effect went away, so it seems to only show up when my HD A1 is set to 1080i.
I also tried the HD Fury with my Samsung up-converting DVD player and had the same results with SW: Ep. III. Flickering at 1080i but not at 480p.
I did not watch all of SW: Ep III, but the flickering was most prominent in the scene where General Grievous is introduced. He is shown walking through a door, and the flickering effect is very prominent.
The fact that the HD Fury seems to work at 480P makes me think it's not the cable, but I have not seen any similar comments about this flickering effect on any other forums. I don't know if it's my TV or the Fury that's the culprit. |
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sim.m
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Posted: Wed Jun 20, 2007 12:24 am Post subject: Big problem with Pioneer DV868 (DV59) and HDFury |
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Hi,
The HDFury works wonderfully with my Panasonic TH50PHD9 plasma, playing a stunning 1080i image. But it didn't do so well when I tested it with a Dell 2405 lcd (1920x1200) : VGA input with HDfury plugged directly in, a 6' HDMI/DVI cable on the other end.
- With a Panasonic DMR-EX75 player, the Dell was only able to play a bad pixellized 640x480 image, even when I upscale to 720p or 1080i…
But if you own a Pioneer DV868avi (DV59), be careful, because I damaged the HDMI output of the player, when I tried it with the Dell and the HDfury…
- The Pioneer was set to 1080i : at first, the blue led (HDMI) of the player lighted up (indicating that the HDCP connexion was done), the Pioneer logo appeared on the screen "normally" (good quality), but suddenly the image turned green, with snow…
I could play the Set up menu (which was faintly distinguishable through the green screen), I spent time trying different things, but I wasn't able to obtain a normal image, even by switching off/on, changing the res to 480p or 720p…
But here comes the hard part : when I plugged back the Pioneer to my Panasonic plasma (DVI connection), i couldn't get rid of the green screen, and ever since, the HDMI ouput of my player is completly out of order.
I tried the VGA input with HDfury with the same disastrous result.
It's strange : the HDMI blue led lights up, le Pioneer logo plays normally, but is very quickly interrupted by… this green screen!! As you can imagine, I resetted many times the player and the plasma, with no effect. The YUV output of the player works perfectly. I've owned this player for two years and never had a problem…
The firmware version of the Pioneer is : 1.306 (Europeen version)
My other DVD player works normally in the same configuration. |
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HKmod

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Posted: Wed Jun 20, 2007 12:56 am Post subject: Re: Big problem with Pioneer DV868 (DV59) and HDFury |
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| sim.m wrote: | Hi,
The HDFury works wonderfully with my Panasonic TH50PHD9 plasma, playing a stunning 1080i image.
But it didn't do so well when I tested it with a Dell 2405 lcd (1920x1200) : VGA input with HDfury plugged directly in, a 6' HDMI/DVI cable on the other end.
- With a Panasonic DMR-EX75 player, the Dell was only able to play a bad pixellized 640x480 image, even when I upscale to 720p or 1080i…
But if you own a Pioneer DV868avi (DV59), be careful, because I damaged the HDMI output of the player, when I tried it with the Dell and the HDfury…
- The Pioneer was set to 1080i : at first, the blue led (HDMI) of the player lighted up (indicating that the HDCP connexion was done), the Pioneer logo appeared on the screen "normally" (good quality), but suddenly the image turned green, with snow…
I could play the Set up menu (which was faintly distinguishable through the green screen), I spent time trying different things, but I wasn't able to obtain a normal image, even by switching off/on, changing the res to 480p or 720p…
But here comes the hard part : when I plugged back the Pioneer to my Panasonic plasma (DVI connection), i couldn't get rid of the green screen, and ever since, the HDMI ouput of my player is completly out of order.
I tried the VGA input with HDfury with the same disastrous result.
It's strange : the HDMI blue led lights up, le Pioneer logo plays normally, but is very quickly interrupted by… this green screen!! As you can imagine, I resetted many times the player and the plasma, with no effect. The YUV output of the player works perfectly. I've owned this player for two years and never had a problem…
The firmware version of the Pioneer is : 1.306 (Europeen version)
My other DVD player works normally in the same configuration. |
Dell 2405 display was tested by several customers with amazing results on all HDMI sources they tried (except one with Sky HD digital, Sky HD digital STB have problem with mostly all HDMI display !)
So stay assured that the problem you met is caused by your source only.
You should contact Pioneer for a Firmware update disc.
There is chance that you need the special remote to perform this upgrade.
It's obviously not the right place for your support inquiry as you stated yourself it works perfectly when connected in recent/decent source/display configuration.
Your player prolly have issue with its HDMI implementation (common to many early DVD player with HDMI output)
-If you did not try that yet, try to toggle 50Hz/60Hz |
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sim.m
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Posted: Wed Jun 20, 2007 8:20 am Post subject: |
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"as you stated yourself it works perfectly when connected in recent/decent source/display configuration.
Your player prolly have issue with its HDMI implementation (common to many early DVD player with HDMI output)
-If you did not try that yet, try to toggle 50Hz/60Hz." |
Hi and thank you for your answer.
Well, the combination Panasonic Plasma/Panasonic DVD player works, my problem is that after my tryal with the Pioneer player and the Dell/HDfury, the Pioneer is stuck with a green screen. It has worked flawlessly with my Panasonic plasma (which has a hdcp DVI input) until now, it doesn't anymore…
I tried to toggle between 50Hz/60Hz with no success, do you think it's only a question of firmware, that a firmware can get corrupted?
The Pioneer DV868/DV59 is a very common DVD player, I think it would be interesting to know if someone has succeeded with the combination of this player and the HDfury, and with which firmware.[/img] |
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HKmod

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Posted: Wed Jun 20, 2007 11:15 am Post subject: |
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I mentionned your problem to Pioneer today, it seems that DV868 , DV-59AVi and DV-79AVi need a firmware upgrade.
As you are french, you will be able to read that :
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Vos deux appareils peuvent présenter un défaut et nous vous conseillons de contacter votre revendeur si vos appareils sont encore en garantie. Si vos appareils ne sont plus en garantie, vous devez-même contacter un centre technique agrée Pioneer :
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Tel : 04.73.98.64.64
Fax : 04.73.92.28.79
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Produits traités : Autoradio, Audiovisuel ( Enregistreur et lecteur DVD, Laser Disques)
www.lab7.fr
lab7@wanadoo.fr
Nous vous rappelons que notre Service Consommateurs est à votre disposition pour tout renseignement complémentaire.
Cordialement,
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Psykick
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Posted: Wed Jun 20, 2007 3:37 pm Post subject: PS3 with HD Fury and Dell 2405 |
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Hi There,
Got my HD Fury and connected it with an HDMI to DVI cable and then to a VGA splitter from inline ( Extron )very good quality. This then goes to my Dell monitor. The thing is that the picture is displayed stretched on my screen and it is very hard to center the image correctly. I display the 1080p signal on the dashboard and every time I do auto image adjust, the picture is out of proportion. The best picture I got was when I opened a photo and the auto adjusted the picture, but still I am missing picture on the sides of the screen. I choose 1:1 and also full display. There isn't much to adjust on the Dell though.
The second thing is that when I play a game which is not 1080p ( which is everything except Ridge Racer I believe ) it displays the images very bad, because it doesn't downscale to the proper signal. So can I only display 1080p via the Fury or is there a way to display everything, so I don't have to switch output from HDMI to component all the time? Somebody has to know I guess. Thanx in advance!
Regards,
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HKmod

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Posted: Wed Jun 20, 2007 4:04 pm Post subject: Re: PS3 with HD Fury and Dell 2405 |
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| Psykick wrote: | Hi There,
Got my HD Fury and connected it with an HDMI to DVI cable and then to a VGA splitter from inline ( Extron )very good quality. This then goes to my Dell monitor. The thing is that the picture is displayed stretched on my screen and it is very hard to center the image correctly. I display the 1080p signal on the dashboard and every time I do auto image adjust, the picture is out of proportion. The best picture I got was when I opened a photo and the auto adjusted the picture, but still I am missing picture on the sides of the screen. I choose 1:1 and also full display. There isn't much to adjust on the Dell though.
The second thing is that when I play a game which is not 1080p ( which is everything except Ridge Racer I believe ) it displays the images very bad, because it doesn't downscale to the proper signal. So can I only display 1080p via the Fury or is there a way to display everything, so I don't have to switch output from HDMI to component all the time? Somebody has to know I guess. Thanx in advance!
Regards,
Psykick |
What is the model of your Dell monitor that doesn't have H adjust in the menu settings ?
EDIT: Sorry, just noticed you wrote down in the title it was 2405 - this display was tested and reported as amazing quality with HDfury and PS3, for example this review here was made on 2405:
http://reviews.dcemu.co.uk/review-hdfury-dvi-hdmi-hdcp-to-rgb-converter-blue--66279.html
It looks like you have a PS3 so which firmware are you running on it ?Your firmware may not be up to date.
If PS3 output 720p, HDfury output 1280x720
If PS3 output 1080p, HDfury output 1920x1080
HDfury doesn't change your resolution, the SOURCE decides what resolution will be displayed. |
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Posted: Wed Jun 20, 2007 6:07 pm Post subject: Re: PS3 with HD Fury and Dell 2405 |
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| Psykick wrote: | Got my HD Fury and connected it with an HDMI to DVI cable and then to a VGA splitter from inline ( Extron )very good quality. This then goes to my Dell monitor. The thing is that the picture is displayed stretched on my screen and it is very hard to center the image correctly. I display the 1080p signal on the dashboard and every time I do auto image adjust, the picture is out of proportion. The best picture I got was when I opened a photo and the auto adjusted the picture, but still I am missing picture on the sides of the screen. I choose 1:1 and also full display. There isn't much to adjust on the Dell though.
The second thing is that when I play a game which is not 1080p ( which is everything except Ridge Racer I believe ) it displays the images very bad, because it doesn't downscale to the proper signal. So can I only display 1080p via the Fury or is there a way to display everything, so I don't have to switch output from HDMI to component all the time? Somebody has to know I guess. Thanx in advance!
Regards,
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Hi Psykick,
On the PS3 the resolution of a game may be 720p instead of 1080p. In that case you'll want to output 720p.
The scaling problem could either be in the PS3 (scales the game to 1080p), or in the Dell screen (which could potentially have poor onboard scaling). The HDfury does not scale or change the resolution in any way. It simply converts the digital signal to analog.
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Psykick
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Posted: Wed Jun 20, 2007 10:18 pm Post subject: |
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Thanx guys for the replies, but I really think that there is something wrong. When I want to display 1080p signal it shows on my Dell that it is a 1900x1080 signal which should be correct, but still I can't get the picture to perfectly fit on my desktop, there is picture on both sides that go out of the screen. For example if I play Ridge Racer my score on the right side is cut in half and when I adjust then I get a cut screen on the left, but never perfectly fit. Ok that put aside, the real problem is when I only display 720p it shows on my Dell that it is a 832x624 signal, so that is a bit odd.
I also updated to 1.81 and connected it directly to my monitor via the D-sub cable. I know the Fury doesn't do anything with scaling, but why am I the only one experiencing this problem. I know there are a lot of people out there with the same setup, so let me know what settings you have.
In the monitor settings I have 1:1, Fill and Aspect. I put it on Aspect and that should be ok, the other ones also don't do shit.
For now I really think this has been a waste of money, it doesn't do what it is supposed to.
regards,
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Brian Hampton
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Posted: Wed Jun 20, 2007 10:44 pm Post subject: |
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Hi,
I have a PS3 here that I can try to check things for you with if that would help. I run it to a CRT Front pj and it will also give me info about resolutions and such. As far as your concern about feeding 720p and the monitor saying it's 832x624 I would think that's a quirk of your monitor. I assume the monitor is digital like LCD or plasma and as such I bet there is remaping going on perhaps even when you choose 1x1 mapping.
Ridge Racer must be running 720p right? If you can't save or setup a memory for 720p seperate then 1080p then you may have to re-position that manually.
Anyway,.. I have a PS3 and the HDFury is the best thing ever for me.. If there is something you want me to check about it let me know and I'll see if there's anything I can do.
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Psykick
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Posted: Wed Jun 20, 2007 11:00 pm Post subject: |
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Thanx Brian,
I know what you mean, but the D-sub is an analog input and so it must be treated as such, but I also believe it has something to do woth the monitor, but just can't figure out what. And like I said before there isn't really much to adjust on the Dell, as far as I know that is. Thanx and will let you know if I want to know something.
Regards,
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