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[Kration27]

I am using the IZ3D driver in iz3d shutter mode, the tri-def in direct 3d mode and the nvidia 3d driver on my PC with a gtx 580. My display is, was and will be the asus VG278H.

Dips set as follows :
1: off
2: on
3: off
4: on
5: off
6: on
7: on or off
8: off
9: off
0: on or off

All tests were done with dips 7 and 0 in both positions. With dip 7 set to the on position the nvidia emitter comes on when dip 7 is off the nvidia emitter is off. Doesn't matter what way they are set here the 3d fury glasses will not shutter when getting a 720p@120Hz signal. Also when the 3d fury is getting a 60hz 3d signal there is major colour distortion on the screen

When the nvidia 3d driver (for 3d blu-ray) is turned on there is an option for 3d resolutions when it is off this category is gone. The resolutions are still there however they are no longer separated into there own category. Either way I could never get the 3d fury glasses to shutter when the PC was outputting at 720p@120Hz or60hz which does show as 120hz on my asus monitor osd. You can tell by looking at the light in the pair button on the emitter that it is emitting. I do not need instructions on how to pair the glasses. I already told you they are paired. Lets try not to jump the same hoops over and over please.
When the 3d fury is connected my PC will not allow me to use nvidia 3dtv play software. The 3d option in my nvidia control panel only says 3d blu-ray. This was with or without a additional nvidia emitter plugged in. If I remove the 3d fury I can then use the nvidia 3dtv play software. Obviously this is a problem! This also blocks tri-def from running in direct 3d mode because tri-def uses the nvidia 3d driver to some extent in direct 3d mode. Is there a way to fix this ?

As we discussed before when the nvidia built in emitter is turned on the monitor goes into a special mode for 3d to reduce lag (ghosting). Is there a way to get this mode working with side by side output from the 3d fury?

[wildchild22]

Hi there the hdfury 4 will never do what you want. I do not even see why you are using the hdfury 4. It makes no sense to me. Just use nvidia 3dtv play and the nvidia equipment and call it a day for pc use.

Just get a hdmi switch and hook it up between the sources and monitor.
And if a a source that needs the hdfury 4 put in between the switch and the device.

The hdfury 4 when it is passing though a signal it will not output sync.
The hdfury 4 only outputs sync for the glasses when the hdfury 4 is processing the 3d signal not in passthough mode.

So you need to send the hdfury 4 a 3d format (not a passthough format) such as side by side, over under or frame packed 3d for it to process the 3d and output sync for the emitter.

So in summary the pc needs to output a format the hdfury 4 will process for the glasses and emitter to work correctly. And then let the hdfury 4 convert the 3d into 120hz.

[HDfury]

Can you please confirm you have the 2D working as i mentionned previously ? I'll be more than happy to jump on the next step and try to help you out, but if you don't confirm, then we won't go anywhere. (same loops as you mentionned)

Also, can you please explain the IZ3D driver and software you mention, where to download them ?


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[Kration27]

[HDfury]

To get a refund you just have to contact the Taiwan staff through the online contact form.

3Dfury is made to add 3D to HDMI display that are not 3D. and add 3D and HDMI input to any others display that are technically able to handle 1280x720 and/or 1920x1080 and especially the big 3tubes projector ! it was, it is and it will always be the case.

Ok i have checked your IZ3D, correct me if i'm wrong, but is this project supposed to turn 2D games into 3D ? if so, why don't you do this by hardware ? there is numerous 2D to 3D converter that will do just the same and given the algorythm some are handling, will prolly make it better (to be confirmed)

1. No software hassle to deal with.
2. Work immediately out of the box.

Anyway, i'll test that on VG278H later and report back.

PS: 3Dfury is of course HDMI1.4
HDfury1 is HDMI 1.1
HDfury2 is HDMI 1.2
HDfury3 is HDMI 1.3
HDfury4 is HDMI 1.4
HDfury5 will be HDMI 1.5

[HDfury]

Ok i checked this 3DTV Play software from Nvidia.
They say it works for 720p50/60 and 1080p24, so it's useless isn't it ?
Anyway, installed or desinstalled it didn't change anything to the results below, so i'm wondering of the purpose for such software when you have 3Dfury in hands.

What i did is the following:

With DIP7:OFF DIP0:ON, connected HDMI output of GTX580 to 3Dfury HDMI input, then 3Dfury HDMI output to HDMI input of VG278H
(3D logo is OFF on the monitor, monitor report 1280x720 at 120hz like previously)

Switch to HDMI input on VG278H, got extended display, right click > Screen Resolution > make this display principal.

Then started NVIDIA 3D Vision Video Player and opened a TOP/BOTTOM 3D sample video, that can be downloaded here: http://finepix.com/3d/en/img/download/003.zip

Put the NVIDIA 3D Vision Video Player in FULL SCREEN (VERY IMPORTANT), then click 2 times the 3Dfury 3D mode button to handle TOP/BOTTOM, Hold the TOP button of the glasses till they flash 1 time and i end up with a perfect 3D effect !!

So 3Dfury works perfectly AND beautifully on the VG278H handling any HDMI sources such as 3D BluRay player, X360, PS3, STB and others as tested previously, but also as tested just now: any 3Dfile from a computer even if infoframe is missing (on this particular monitor, it was tested on hundreds others already).

CONCLUSION: If there is any other thing that must be tested, such as IZ3D, you need to tell us which game must be tested as we don't own any of those games, so if you know of any game from their list that we can download for free we will be happy to test it immediately for you if there is no free games, then just tell us which one you are testing so we can buy and test the same one.

So far the 3Dfury have performed exactly and accordingly to the specs in a superb way. I'm quiet sure it will perform the exact same way with iZ3D. (If not then the problem is more likely on their drivers and we would be glad to help fixing it if needed but i highly doubt that or they would have issue with many displays)

[HDfury]

[HDfury]

[Kration27]

1: It's not I'm just trying to give you all the info I had to limit the amount of hoops I have to jump.

2: The glasses r paired and I understand how they work. Yes yes yes. I don't know how to express this to you without sounding like I am bragging. I have an I.Q. of 137. I was the first person outside of amd to get there quad buffer to work with a 3d game. I can send you a link to the thread if you like. I have a great understanding of 3d, 3d gaming software and 3d shutter glasses.

3: If you can not run 3d gaming software from a pc this could be a problem. All I'm saying is with the 3d fury attached it removes the ability of using nvidia gaming software and then by default tri-def 3d gaming software with an nvidia card unless you use sbs with tri-def. This of course limits the resolution.

4: you can use nvidia 3dtv with the hdmi and nvidia vision software with the duel-dvi on the asus. with the 3d fury attached it would not allow me to game with a pc unless I use sbs. I would use sbs but it can not work with my asus display because of ghosting. I understand this is a limitation of lcd displays due to the way they refresh from top to bottom. They are not ever producing one image at a time. Thus ghosting is introduced.

5: I wanted sbs to add game compatibility to my asus monitor. Nvidia is far from perfect and sometimes sbs would be my only alternative. If a game runs dx 10 or 11 and Nvidia doesn't support it well then sometimes sbs in iz3d or tri-def works much better. My original thinking was I wanted to add sbs to my asus display. I can not get rid of the ghosting using the 3d fury in sbs on my asus display. If there was a way I would want to keep it but there does not seem to be. If there is a way why not just tell me the setup instead of hinting at it and suggesting I do not comprehend? This is frustrating and insulting. Even your associate says it's not going to work so how can I know what is true? I do not wish to waste my time on something that is never going to happen.

[HDfury]

Just tested Side By Side, it works as well as Top/Bottom.
Just have to click once the 3D mode button, instead of two for Top/bottom

The only thing i haven't tested yet is the iZ3D. However, everything else works perfectly, so still i don't understand what is the problem except iZ3D, i also asked a free game that is supported by iZ3D, or at least a game that you are using for testing too.

The 3D effect from 3Dfury is very nice at 120hz on the VG278H.(Dark room)

Please stop with the "insulting" things, there is no such things, if you have this feeling and a high IQ, then you can prolly understand, that this might come from the fact that english is not our native langage, so we can't express ourself perfectly in english, just look at what we are doing: i'm here and everyday i'm doing test to find out how to help you, i also managed to get same monitor and same graphic cards, now if you want me to help further, please tell me which game you are testing or any free games from the iZ3D list. No other companies in the world will ever do such support and testing for a customer issue.

I also need you to confirm that you get same results than me on everything we tried and reported before otherwise there is no point going further.

Also i still don't understand why you want to output SBS from 3Dfury,i asked if you want to have the VG278H process the 3D and use Nvidia glasses and the VG278h 3D mode (logo ON) , you did not confirm.

All what i need from you is simple answer, YES it WORKS, YES i want to do this, etc... Please be accurate and simple and we will find out.


PS: IF emitter is emitting, glasses paired and you don't have 3D effect (while the 3D mode is correctly handled, then the glasses need to be replaced)

[Kration27]

I got it to work with IZ3D! Thank you. Sorry if I misunderstood.

Thank you for your help!

All I want to know now is can I get the 3d fury to output in sbs at 120hz and have the asus monitor in its 3d mode so there is no ghosting?

The iz3d driver has a testing app built into it. It is free. To access this open the iz3d control panel. Go to the help section and press the dynamic test button or the static test button. For tri-def games there is a list here.

http://www.tridef.com/user-guide/supported-games

Anything that outputs in sbs should be fine for testing this. The games I have in mind are the new dues ex and need for speed the run. I want to use tri-def outputting sbs through the 3d fury and have the asus go into the 3d mode. Nvidia glasses should work at that point but if I'll need your glasses that is fine too. Whatever works! I have your glasses working with sbs outputting from the 3d fury however without the asus in the 3d mode there is to much ghosting to play games for me.

[wildchild22]

Hi there if you look up the specs for the hdfury4 on www.hdfury.com you will see the hdfury does not output sbs it outputs only frame sequential for all 3d.

[HDfury]

Ok great.

Now please confirm me that your idea is to send SBS 3D at 720p120 to VG278H and have it in 3D mode so you can use the Nvidia glasses (or our glasses if we can't have it working with Nvidia glasses).

Also, please tell why you want it to be SBS only, is TOP/BOTTOM different or frame sequential different ? i guess the VG278H should handle any format no?

While it's true that we only output frame sequential (but accept any 3Dformat), this is something that can be added in firmware, but we need to know exactly why you need that so dev can find out the best way to include it.

Thanx for the tips on the free testing for iZ3D, i'll give it a try hopefully later today and get back.

[Kration27]

I want tri-def (or whatever) to output sbs to the 3d fury from my 580gtx. I want the 3d fury to output this as frame sequential at 720p@120hz to my VG278H and have no ghosting. I don't care about who's glasses just good results.

Another way to say it is I want to add sbs compatibility to my VG278H using the 3d fury. The 3d fury does do this but the ghosting is so much I can not make out the 3d because the VG278H isn't in its 3d mode.

I guess language can be a funny thing.

[wildchild22]

To make it real clear.
What resolution and framerate in SBS will you be sending to the hdfury 4?

What resolution and framerate do you want the hdfury 4 to send this sbs to the display in converted into frame seq?

[HDfury]

Hi Wild,

I think he wants 720p120 SBS to be sent to 3Dfury and then 720p120 frame packed to be sent to the monitor.

I just checked the usermanual and in fact it's correct that this display only take framepacked (it's a shame such display won't support any type of 3D format out of the box... )

I did not have time to test yesterday, but will give it a try today.

[HDfury]

Ok i have played a little bit with tridef software.

I tested their samples video file and set as SBS in the output properties.
When you are running 720p120 from computer, the 3Dfury won't handle the signal even if you force the 3D mode. There is something weird here.
I already asked dev to look at it, but so far it seems related to a bug in their software, not our hardware since same thing from nvidia player works perfectly when you force 3D mode.

I then browsed a little bit and i found a few things, such as someone who recommend using the LG driver as it seems they don't have this issue. so i removed tridef, installed tridef for LG driver, then installed tridef on top of that. still no go, however, if you put the screen resolution in 1920x1080 then it works and the 3D mode force button is working so the SBS get converted into frame packed nicely, and using our glasses, works very well. Yet i have to determine if the LG driver helped or not here.

However, the monitor is not in 3D mode this way. So it's not like you want.
Will continue looking for a solution and be back later.

[Kration27]

thanks!

[Kration27]

Sorry but tired of waiting and I can find no info on the pages here on how to return this stuff. Could you provide a link please?