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[dreadiej2]

@crash27 I understand how this feels since it happened to me, but I learned my lesson, so I have to work with what I have, and work hard at having to save another $560 and be careful as to believing anything that can be posted online. It is always better to test a device rather than go ahead and believe "empty" words: In other words, when buying online there is always a risk. To the hdfury team, there is a lot of truth to what Mr. crash27 is saying, and you all should know the difference between the right of a person to express their opinion rather than to threat them, delete their opinion or just say that this man's opinion is scam. It is definitely not scam, if you all want to cater to an exclusive market, then do not use deceptive practices by telling your future customers today one thing and another thing later on. Second, the fact that people has had to wait for more than 2 months for a product that was listed as available at an available date and gets pushed over and over not only hurt us, but it will hurt your future customers. Your products are good, but in credibility of your word and promise you get an epic fail. Pushing products for the fact of adding features without telling your customers ahead of time is super disrespectful, there are those who will wait, and others who will not like it. Regardless, this is my opinion and I know it will get deleted anyways, but at least I am pleased and satisfied if a small portion of the members in this forum and future customers get a small chance of reading this. Respect for you mr.crash27.

[HDfury]

This person was banned for insulting not for his opinion.
He should ask for a refund because we have 0 interrest in having customers who have 0 respect.

Everything that he wrote could be wrote in a gentle and polite manner, if he can't stick with that rule, then his account will fly away.


At the end of the day, we are the only one out there taking risks for our audience, so that fact alone deserve some respect. Second, we will release product when we believe they are completed or when we feel new improvements are not easily doable anymore. But as long as we can improve our design and as long as we come with new ideas that will give serious advantages for our customers, then we will continue upgrading and adding features. This is how we went from HDfury1 to HDfury4 and you can clearly see the progress in terms of quality and features between each revision.

The results is the world best converter out there. We won't change our way of doing for people coming from nowhere who keep insulting our guys.

There is plenty of crap products available for those kinds of guys, so they don't have to waste our time and their times here.

This place is made for professional installers, calibrators, integrators and people who want to get the best out of their hardly paid hardware.


Last but not least, we are not a a big company so don't expect, from us, the same kind of policy that one would expect from them. You can go rant and insult them , they just don't care about it, they will also give you non finished or non working product just like they have done so many times in the past by claiming this or that as "HD ready" while not a single HDMI TX was present in their boards, sorry but that's not our way of doing.

so yes, we are known for delaying our release, just like we are known for releasing the top notch world class converter on earth.

In that game, you can't get the best of the 2 worlds.

[n000n]

[dreadiej2]

I agree as to crash27 not using the best way to communicate his opinion, as I don't agree with using profanity to make a point, but also I understand his feelings of frustration. I too agree with your opinion %100 n00n.

[oviano]

I must admit I find that the insinuation that these devices are for professionals only leaves a slightly bad taste in my mouth. I've read it or something similar from the mods in this forum a few times now.

I first bought a Fury so that I could convert the HDMI output from my Sky+ box to Component so it'd work with my Slingbox. I picked up this tip from another 'layman'/non expert in an Amazon review.

The thing with the 3D Fury though is that it will attract people who think they can magically convert their crappy old TV into a shiny new 3D one and this may not work out as well as they hope. In my experience, on three different LCD TVs, my conclusion was it wasn't tuneable to a satisfactory level when I tried with the Optoma glasses and I cancelled and got a refund for the Fury glasses when it became apparent they wouldn't offer any additional controls or do anything about the flicker/missed frames that rendered my attempts futile.

Hopefully there are at least a few threads now where future newbie customers can get a heads up of potential problems before diving in.

Also maybe some independent reviews will spring up which will have tested it more thoroughly on a variety of TVs and perhaps give a more accurate picture.

HD Fury 2 and 3 get big thumbs up for me, and the team deserve to be congratulated - they have worked pretty much flawlessly which is good because they have needed to work 24/7 at 2,500 kms away with me only being 'on site' every few months.

3D Fury, unfortunately, whether that be my own fault or naivety, is now gathering dust on a shelf. I'm basically keeping it for the day my HD Fury 3 packs up and I'll just use it as my HDMI -> Component converter.

[dreadiej2]

I agree again with you oviano, tried 3d on my vizio 60hz 3d lcdtv and the results were less than stellar, and this was a big let down since the device is said to bring 3d to any device. I feel that rather than put this misleading advertisement they should put a note to those who are not familiar with the fact that at 60hz there will be flickering and with lcd way too much ghosting issues. However, they say that this device is for professionals, so definitely new people will feel insulted due to the fact that we are disrespected in this manner. I will keep my 3dfury, will I buy the glasses and emitters? Who knows, as the saying goes: "Once bitten, twice shy", I rather see someone testing this on a 60hz lcd tv and see their opinion rather than these guys, since their word when it comes to delivery is very shady.

[HDfury]

[HDfury]

[oviano]

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[dreadiej2]

I am with you oviano, this is the same way I feel. I honestly look forward to the mods responding to oviano's claims. And to my response, talk is cheap, with Monster Glasses and emitters, there is no way to be able to calibrate the 3d where the flicker and ghosting is eliminated, so most likely the solution will not come from your glasses but rather from the light sensor thing that became known by the fact that according to you, lcd is not suitable for 3d due to frame dropping. No where in your site o you provide this info for the new customer, but the "professionals" will know this. So now we have to pay for a light reflector, next we will need to pay for that, and so what is the deal of having a thread for suggestions and solutions? I thought that there could be solutions based on software manipulation, but you all care little for the ones who are coming into using this form of technology, otherwise you would not disrespect your customers who are the ones who support you. Pride and greed will be your downfall, nothing last forever. And you are welcome to delete my post, even though I haven't insulted you all in any way, this is just my opinion and experience on your product.

[3dfury.co.uk]

Hey guys, please note that HDFURY's native language is not English so things may get 'lost in translation'. All feedback is always welcome but please be assured that hdfury products ARE the most advanced & groundbreaking products in the market in the world! They strive to bring amazing tech to the scene & if you have followed the range right back from 5 years ago you will understand the complications & issues that may arise in certain circumstances. Please be assured they are constantly in dev. & the team really are THE experts in this field.

As mentioned, the full potential of the 3dfury will be realised & seen by all

[HDfury]

Look, we have tested mostly all solution on the market, some works on some setup, most of them fails on LCD.

When testing our glasses/emitter on those LCD where others are failing, we got great 3D effect even at 60 hz. and this is without the light sensor, which is an additional equipment only dedicated to frame dropping issue on some displays.

I recall someone writing something like that recently : "i can't get the bitcauldron glasses to work correctly when using joystick calibration, only when editing firmware directly i could get good results"

This is one of the main point. most of the glasses, even if they offer control on delay, duty cycle, polarity, etc... will not necessarily give you enough range to browse through and select the one settings that match your display with fine accuracy.

It's all about number of presets to quickly browse through a range, and then manual fine tunning to select the settings points between 2 presets that will suit your display.

Also, given the fact that polarity can be changed R/L > L/R > RR > LL, you can very easily get rid of flicker/ghosting, by first selecting RR or LL and fine tune each one individually, before getting back to R/L normal 3D operation.

Finally, if we have now done a fourth production run using the most advanced LCD tech out there, is not for nothing, it's especially to support 60hz display perfectly.

so as i said earlier, just wait till that comes out, test and then we can discuss. but current discussion about what you might believe is not really helping anyone.

You guys complain about the delay, which is normal and which is something we understand, but not something we can change or do otherway. But at the same time, you believe we have delayed for nothing. Don't worry , we don't delay for nothing, if we delay something it's because we know what need to be done and what need to be improved. That has been done. Now, just test what comes out and we will be here waiting for your feedback

PS: About frame dropping, when this happen at 60hz, the results is 59.xxx hz. in such case and without light sensor to get a perfect simultaneous flow, you can trick the delay between each close/open sequence by a very small digit like 0.0xx so the overall refresh time for each L/R eyes get shorter. if you understand the logic behind, you will be able to fine tune easily. it's all about accuracy.

[dreadiej2]

English is not my first language either, and that still doesn't give me the right to disrespect someone, and if things get lost in translation, I still take into consideration if my remark makes the other person feel uncomfortable in any way, so if that is the case, I humbly apologize. You all have not apologize to me, oviano, n000n, crash27, and many other users out there, so that is why I understand when crash27 retaliated with negativity. Was it right?, absolutely no, still, if your stance would've been of trying to answer to him (and us as well) in a polite way without belittling us, things would've been different. We feel that if we have something to say that is a legitimate issue that would need to be resolved, we would obviously ask you all, we know that you all develop the product, and that we may not be experts, but we have some degree of knowledge, and so no one likes to be insulted with remarks like "don't worry, our devices are for professionals", so this remark, as oviano quoted, translate to us as "We don't care that you've had a substandard experience because you're obviously stupid and our 'real' customers won't make the same mistake'. Business is universal when you take it global, therefore you must cater to everyone, from the expert to the newbie out there. I will not complain about the product, and to me it really doesn't matter whether or not the product is finished, however, it should be noted that you all need to improve in the way you all communicate with us.

[wildchild22]

3dfury does not mean any disrespect he is just stating the frame drop is something a professional would know and understand. Noons comments about adding features was moved to a separate thread as we feel that the dip switches is what is needed to make the hdfury 4 work on all devices. Audtodetect will not work so we will not add that at this time (In the future maybe we will). We need problems fixed first before new features.

I have a jvc rs1 that was very expensive when new aprox 6k when new and it has the frame drop issue. The problem is not the hdfury 4 it is the jvc projector but jvc will not fix it so we are working out ways to perfect this for displays that has this trouble.

[HDfury]

[dreadiej2]

@hdfury, you know what, there is no point in even addressing you at all. I will take my leave and not respond and take your feedback. You are blind to the fact that you alone are making us feel disrespectful, I will take my leave. Delete my post, account, do whatever you please. You have lost a customer, and you will loose many more by taking such prideful stances when it comes to giving your customers unpleasant treatment. We are not inventing stuff, and we are giving you our feedback. If you were running this at the retail level you would be broke, because customer service is important as much as making a stellar product. I'm out. I will tell my experience to others, it is better to support other products than your own, not because your product doesn't work, but because of you, hdfury.

[dreadiej2]

to wildchild22, thank you (not in a sarcastic way), at least you can point to the problem without disrespecting the customer, still, I'm out.

[oviano]